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Letter to the Editor: Raising ICC Speed Limit An 'Insane Idea'

A letter to the editor about raising the speed limit on the Intercounty Connector and other state highways.

 

The following is a letter from Fred Flaharty, a Montgomery County school bus driver, in regards to a late January story about the Intercounty Connector potentially having a 70 mph speed limit:

The bill that would raise the maximum speed limit on interstates and expressways statewide from 65 to 70 miles per hour is an incredibly BAD IDEA!....no...INSANE idea. As a regular daily driver of the ICC both in my personal car (twice per day) and as the driver of a Montgomery County school bus (4 trips per day) I protest in the strongest possible terms this proposed raising of the speed limit on the ICC. There are several important reasons for this the first of which is the road was never designed for faster speeds as are interstate highways. As is the case currently with the 55 mph ‘limit’ most vehicles exceed it by the supposed allowable 12 mph which means that those same drivers would be free to hit 77 or 82 mph respectively if the limit were raised to 65 or 70 mph. All this on a road designed for 55 mph. Driving 55-60 mph I witness countless cars, trucks and buses fly past me doing between 75 and 80. Merging or changing lanes would become more dangerous. This road was conceived and built under the guise of being environmentally designed and ecologically friendly. I ask you, is raising the speed limit environmentally friendly? I will tell you now that were I to have a crash on a road that the government knew wasn’t designed for high speed traffic I’d be in court with a lawsuit as soon as I was able. There are far more important issues to be addressed in government these days and I suggest the sponsors of this bill get to work rather then bowing to the requests of people that would gain a few short minutes on their drive as opposed to keeping the roads safe at their correctly posted and enforced speeds. 55 mph is a limit drivers should learn to live with, be safer with, be more in tune with the environment and stop whining about the 3 to 4 minutes they may spend on a complete trip on the road. 

 

Fred Flaharty, MNCPPC Planning Dept. (Retired) Montgomery County Transportation Dept. School Bus Operator

Olney, MD

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Related Topics: ICC, Intercounty Connector, Letter to the Editor, Montgomery County, Public Safety, State Highway Administration, and maryland

Sharon

3:01 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Kudos, Mr Flaharty! I agree with you enirely and could not have expressed/stated my opposition to the insanity myself. Thank you for you well-thought out and intelligent editorial in opposition of the Powers That Be merely creating yet another Indianapolis Speedway jeopardizing your safety & the rest of us by merely placating those (impatient & with lead feet) who are basically in a hurry to get nowhere!.

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icetrout

8:49 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

@ $4. per gal.gas what ever happened to conservation? Remember the 55 MPH speed limit to conserve fuel? In Bizarro Maryland right is wrong & wrong is right...

Wayne Lashley

3:07 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

i always wanted the speed limit raised to 60mph i understand what the writer is talking about . speed limit / limit means the point edge or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed a supposed allowable 12mph really yes i've heard of that but if that's true then the meaning or word limit should be removed from the sign

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Bill Redmond

2:42 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The limit is the limit and the law calls for fines beginning at 1mph above that but the accuracy of the equipment requires them to allow an error band of +/- x mph around their measurement. Mr. Flaharty states that he has heard that the value of x is between 10 - 12 mph.

A previous article said that the ICC was designed for 60 mph, not the 55 mph cited by Mr. Flaharty. Also, there is a safety margin on top of that. The designed travel speed is going to be less than the calculated maximum safe speed because the state can't allow drivers to legally "push the envelope" and there will be variations due to weather conditions, vehicle capabilities and condition and driver skill. Also, a faster speed is possible on a lightly traveled road than on a crowded one.

Nathan

3:15 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I feel the speed limit should be raised to at least 65mph. I've driven this road and anyone can safely drive faster than 55mph. There are plenty of lanes on this road, if you want to drive 55mph get over and stay in the right lane. In my opinion its not the people who speed who cause the accidents its those people who drive at or below the speed in the left lane that cause accidents as everyone must go around them. I really hope this bill passes!!!

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Bill Redmond

2:43 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

In Pennsylvania, slower vehicles are required to drive on the right. Something to consider here.

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perry

10:54 pm on Sunday, March 3, 2013

statements like this always amuse me. the speed limit in the right, center and left lane are the same!

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NR

1:35 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013

I agree, if drivers can't handle 65 on an open highway, they shouldn't be driving.

Peter Mnatzakanian

4:28 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I agree with the author, and Ms. Adams, it does not matter which of the three lanes you choose, people just drive 80., well written and I hope that the legislators take notice to the comments of Mr. Flaharty, did anyone notice that party affilitation was not mentioned, bravo!

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Howard Simcox

5:36 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I disagree with the author in the strongest terms. The ICC is the most heavily patrrolled stretch of road in the entire metro area and the relentless ticketing program by dedicated ICC police vehicles has most knowledgeable ICC users moving at a crawl. I have rarely used the ICC and not seen a motorist pullled over by the police, or seen a police vehicle waiting on the shoulder for speeders. The ICC is an uncongested limited access highway with on/off ramps every few miles or so, and there is no earthly reason why motorists could not safely drive at higher speed limits. Currently, the 55 mph speed limit on this sprawling highway is just 15mph higher than the speed limit on Rockville Pike, a road jammed with cars, traffic signals, crosswalks, etc. This is irrational. Motorists naturally drive at speeds that are comfortable for them in consideration of the road conditions, their age, skill, automobile and other factors. There is no factual basis to the claim that motorists will automatically drive 12 mph above the posted speed limit no matter what it is. If the limit is raised to 65, you will find most motorists adhering to that because it is a comfortable speed for the average motorist.

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Chris

2:37 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

If you have driven any highway with a 65 mph limit, you know that people do automatically gravitate toward a higher speed- 75 or higher depending on how strict local law enforcement is.

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G

10:31 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Kudos to Mr Simcox. Every time I drive this road there are a minimum of 2 police vehicles on the road ready willing and able to give a ticket for speeding and rarely does one goe over 55 mph. This road should be able to handle an upgrade to 65 mph. even if one goes 70 mph there is no one on this road due to the high fees. After 35 years of driving I have never been in an accident and wonder why you people feel you cant drive safely at a speed over 55 mph . If you wish to go slower than the flow of traffic you should use the right lane.

phil dom

11:28 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

have there been accidents cuased by speed .
Keep to the right lane except to let people merge onto the road and you will not have any problems. As you say they are already going that fast so it must no be that unsafe.

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KMcBride

7:11 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I agree and disagree. As someone who does not go the "allowable" 12 miles over (I may do 5), I find the 55 mph annoying. So with that said, I agree the speed limit should be raised. I also see your point that if the speed limit is raised people are going to drive at extremely excessive speeds. However, this is something that should be taken up with county police officers (who also drive at excessive speeds imo). Why is 12 over allowable?? If a speed limit is set, it should be upheld. If county officers find it to mundane to pull people over for speeding, then the limit should stay at 55.

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Bill Redmond

2:48 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

The +12 (if that is the number) is to avoid court challenges to the tickets based on inaccuracy of the RADAR ("you say I was going 58, I say I was going 55. Prove to me that your equipment knows the difference.") If you were to get hold of the spec sheet for the RADAR, you would see that it has an error band (+/- x mph) on the accuracy of the readings.

Ch

8:49 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Before making comments on roads designed with certain speeds in mind show me the proof that the ICC was engineered for only 55. Come on now, that road can easily handle faster speeds. It seems that 55 was set only to generate income for the state as it is heavily patrolled and has its own division to patrol it. Good luck on your lawsuit!!! Go ahead and drive 55 in the right lane. You have that right.

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Jim Titus

10:19 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

MDTA already is planning to raise the speed limit on the ICC to 60 mph next month.

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Corbin Dallas Multipass

11:57 am on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

I agree that it would be preferable to address ideas like excluding high occupancy vehicles from the cost of tolls - it would encourage use of the road instead of the beltway and distribute traffic across the two roads more evenly.

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Edward Sakala

12:30 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

It doesn't matter what you (the public) wants in the speed limit. It will be changed or not changed based on a civil servent sitting some where in a non reachable corner of the government complex. You have no vote, only a small voice in the night.

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Bill Redmond

2:50 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013

@Edward Sakala - based on an engineering analysis.

David Epstein

10:37 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Raising the speed limit is a poor alternative to lowering the cost.

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Robert Curry

9:30 am on Saturday, March 2, 2013

I do NOT believe the ICC was "engineered for a 55 mph speed" and no evidence supporting this allegation has been provided! I do believe a speed limit of 60 mph would be more appropriate for this road, and perhaps vehicles such as SCHOOL BUSES, and other (large) slow accelerating, difficult to maneuver vehicles should be excluded, or restricted as to times and lanes they could use! Drivers with slow reactions, and/or vehicles that slowly react, are hazards in congested, high speed traffic on any road. (Perhaps reaction time needs testing, on ALL drivers?)--As a driver for over 40 years, I see "slow reacting" drivers/vehicles every day, and these drivers should be restricted as to when and where they can operate, to enhance highway safety and traffic flow! (I am an ALERT "senior citizen")

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Lo

6:33 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013

I, like other posters here, also find it incredibly hard to believe that the ICC was only designed for 55 mph. It makes no sense to me that a newly designed, highly expensive, major highway can only handle 55-60mph. BS! I agree with Ch. They deliberately set the limit low, knowing people will instinctively want to drive much faster and have cops out there ticketing. There just desperately trying to find ways to generate money for the county.

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Bill Redmond

1:57 pm on Sunday, March 3, 2013

The county (which one, it passes through two?) doesn't get that money. That is a state road, patrolled by state cops. Why exactly does the MTA police exist separate from the State Police? It seems that their charter is to enforce toll collections. They generate a lot of revenue of their own for MTA through the citations they issue.

Mark

7:49 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

I wish people would learn grammar before ranting. ("There"????, you mean "they're" as in they are).

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Bill Redmond

3:36 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

Sometimes people truly don't know better, sometimes they're (I had to fix that) excited and typing in a hurry and type the wrong word, sometimes their computer or phone conspires against them with autocorrect. A little charity is called for. Have you never suffered one of the above? Have you truly contributed anything to the discussion except (got the correct one) sow disharmony? I know that it is frustrating to the perfect when others are not.

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Jim Tulley

7:13 am on Thursday, March 7, 2013

I wish some people would understand that not everyone cares about the grammatical structure of the English language as much as you may.

The comments are a soapbox for discussion. There are no laws requiring the use of proper grammar in discussion.

Get off of your high horse.

Dave A.

7:53 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

Bill, The MDTA Officers are assigned to ALL TOLL Roadways in Md. as well as the area around BWI-TM Airport. They enforce speed as well as all other laws in Md. They have a Drug Taskforce team that works the interstates, a CRASH team to investigate serious motor vehicle accidents and other various specialty units within the department. There has been talk for years of them merging with the MDSP, however it never seems to happen.

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Bill Redmond

3:38 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

It would save money by eliminating the redundant headquarters operations but they belong to two different cabinet departments and I'm sure that the head of MTA doesn't want to let them go..

Duke Ganote

6:20 am on Monday, April 29, 2013

The engineering report asserts a "design speed" of 60 mph without defining the term. Engineers know that "operating speeds and even posted speed limits can be higher than design speeds without necessarily compromising safety." Indeed, roads "often appear adequate for speeds far above the designated design speed". ICC drivers recognize this intuitively with average speeds exceeding 60 mph.
http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/speedmgt/ref_mats/fhwasa10001/#f18

Clearly the speed limit should be 65 or 70 mph! The report's own reference (link above) says "Speed limits are only meaningful if the majority of motorists comply voluntarily and that occurs only if a speed limit is reasonable.

Maryland's rural interstate fatality rate in 2009 was 0.06 -- FAR FAR lower that the all-road rate of 1.07 deaths per 100 million travel miles. Why? Simple physics! Traffic engineers very effectively adapt roads for higher speeds by eliminating opposing traffic, crossing traffic, and roadside hazards. Furthermore, "design speed" is a MINIMUM specification for features like curvature and sight visibility; the "as built" curves may FAR exceed minimum requirements.

Bluntly, everyone is safer on the ICC than almost any other road-- yet 99% of the commentors are shockingly unaware of where the real road risks are!

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Bill Redmond

2:30 pm on Monday, April 29, 2013

Duke, I'm not a civil engineer but I would have expected the "design speed" to be higher than the intended posted limit to allow a safety margin for those who insist on exceeding the posted speed. I consider myself a competent driver but my impression is that the safety margin on the portion of the ICC between Shady Grove Rd. and Redland Rd. is pretty small; those curves are pretty tight at 60mph, especially during those few times when the road is more busy.

Duke Ganote

6:30 pm on Monday, April 29, 2013

The traffic engineer who pointed out the references to me assured me that a nominal "design speed" usually has a wide safety margin. Sharper curves should be (as the ICC engineering report stated) have specific warning signage.

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