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Getting Serious About Starting School Later in Montgomery County

When residents organize does change happen?

 

 

Montgomery County residents have started an official chapter of the Start School Later Initiative, petitioning school officials to give students and parents a break from early school start times.

In just under a week, the new chapter lead by Garret Park resident Mandi Mader, a Walter John High School mom, has grabbed more than 2,500 signatures for a petition to the county school board and Montgomery County Superintendent Joshua Starr. The group is encouraging lawmakers to start school no earlier than 8:15 a.m., allowing kids more time for sleep and rest and teachers more time to prepare lessons.

“We respectfully request our school board to officially recognize the large and compelling body of research regarding teen sleep and academic achievement, and, with a resolution, to set a goal to start high schools in Montgomery County, MD, after 8:15 a.m.,” the petition states.

Mader, a licensed clinical social worker with an interest in teen therapy, said she was inspired to start the chapter after witnessing the effects of sleep deprivation on her clients. With two students in the Montgomery County public school system, the issue is particularly close to home, she said.

When Madar joined the health and safety committee of the Walter Johnson High School PTA, Mader says she found other parents passionate about the issue and decided to take action.

“I have been on my high horse about sleep and teens for a long time,” Mader said. “I see so many depressed, suicidal teens. It breaks my heart to see kids so tired.” 

After hosting meetings at her house and reaching out to other parents for help getting organized, Mader says she contacted the national Start School Later Initiative, which helped get her started.

Nearly 2,500 residents have already signed the Montgomery County-specific petition, with addresses all over the county – Takoma Park to Poolesville. Of those signatures, 800-plus residents signed on Wednesday alone.

Patch readers were polled informally in March about the initiative and more than 80 percent of readers who responded agreed that school times should start later.

“We’re thrilled about the level of local interest while we bash away at the national level,” said initiative organizer Heather Macinstosh. “It’s volunteers like Mandi and the other members of her community that we really need to help move this mountain.”

Macintosh has blogged often about the issue on Patch. 

Mader says official action from neighboring jurisdictions, including Arlington and Loudoun counties, has contributed to the interest in Montgomery. Neighboring officials in Fairfax County this summer started their third official attempt to push back school start times for students in high school.

One of the biggest issues with changing school start times is coordinating bus schedules for drivers making multiple pick-ups and drop-offs each day. In Fairfax County, 1,081 buses transport about 130,000 students each day.

In Montgomery County, a switch would likely be similarly complicated, with 1,264 buses transporting 98,000 students, according to Montgomery County Public School figures.

Getting 98,000 students to school on time has sometimes meant that students arrive at school 30 minutes to an hour before classes start, Mader said. 

“It’s a very big, complicated decision,” Mader said. “It’s hard to find bus drivers, deal with gas prices, coaches push back. There’s not one way [other jurisdictions] have done it. It has to be a creative solution.”

Montgomery County Public Schools earlier this year said it had no plans to change start times. 

Mader’s chapter of the initiative only launched about three weeks ago, but she hopes to continue recruiting volunteers, sparking discussion between students, parents and officials, and work to spread the initiative’s message.

Will the county’s position change with this new local petition? Let us know what you think in comments.

  • Should lawmakers change school hours to begin later?

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    • Yes, it would be beneficial for students, teachers and parents.
        435 (84%)
    • No, school hours are fine as they are.
        80 (15%)
    Total votes: 515
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Related Topics: Education, Health, Montgomery County Public Schools, and start school later

Becky Pugh

8:00 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

This is the best idea - I hated High School for our first two starting and ending so early. It is counter to all research done on education as far as children being able to function and succeed. Not to mention, the early out only gives them more time during their most lucid time to do things that aren't so positive unless they are in activities, sports or supervised after school.

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JTS53

8:06 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

While allowing teens more sleep is a laudable idea, pushing school start times back would severely curtail after-school activities, like sports, which are a valuable part of the learning experience.

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ED

8:26 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

I'd be careful what you wish for. If the County decides to delay the start of school for teens and the bus schedules are a main concern, would parents be willing to give up the schools their children currently attend so that the children could walk or bus to a closer school? My first thought is about the Town of Kensington - would the residents be happy if the students were no longer bused to Walter Johnson and were required to walk to the much closer Albert Einstein?

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Laurie Halverson

8:55 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

My son is on a basketball team and some days, even in the off season, he has 4 hours of time devoted to work outs and basketball. He is also taking some very difficult AP classes in school and is often is up past midnight to complete his homework and studies. If school started later, then school would end later, resulting in less time for homework. He would just end up staying up until he gets it all done and would not get any more sleep. There are also teens who work to help their family pay the bills-they need time after school to help their families. If you polled the kids-I'm pretty sure they would all agree they need more sleep, but not at the expense of losing time in the afternoon. In the not to distant future, I hope schools will be offering online FREE courses as options during the school year, so students who want to sleep an extra hour could take a class at home online, and in this case, they would have to find their own transportation to school so it won't cost taxpayers more.

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Pat Pannett

9:07 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

This is a great example of people taking control and working to change things. Learn about how you can build off an idea, start campaigns and influence leaders, elected officials and others at blastroots.com

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Kari O

9:08 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

It's great to see so many concerned Montgomery County citizens talking about this important issue. The shift the petition talks about is only about an hour -- many schools all over the country manage to fit in the full array of extracurriculars, including sports, after 3 or 3:30 pm. Loudoun County's champion football teams are a case in point -- high school starts at 9, and the student athletes still participate on winning teams!

Studies show that when school starts an hour later, students actually get about an extra hour of sleep. This is powerful medicine to combat obesity, diabetes risk, depression, and risky behaviors -- and a well-rested athlete is a better athlete.

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Amy Salfi

11:16 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

This is a critical change that absolutely needs to happen. I have already seen the impact of the ridiculous 6:30 a.m. departure time on my 9th grader. He is so tired that he cannot think during his first class. He is tired every afternoon, so exercise is a struggle. He is irritable every evening so homework is a struggle. It is NOT SUFFICIENT for the school system to say "put your kids to bed earlier". You don't "put" a 15-year old to bed. Their natural sleep patterns make it impossible for most teens to sleep at 9 p.m. The school system is led by smart people -- I cannot BELIEVE that we let the bus service dictate the quality of education our children get. In Loudon, they flipped the high school start time to the latest and started the elementary school earlier. This works for most children, as young children naturally wake up earlier. Unfortunately, despite paying high taxes to live in the Montgomery County school system, I am starting to look at private schools for my children, primarily because of the start time issue. This is ridiculous.

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Heather Duffy

11:24 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

I hate seeing the kids standing out at the bus stops in the cold and DARK at 6:30-6:45 in the morning. My middle schooler catches the bus at 7:15 which is ok but then the elementary bus doesn't come until 8:30. Maybe the High Schoolers could be between the Middle and Elementary times?

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Fred Foo

12:50 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

When I was in college, I had classes that started at 10am and I could (and did) fall asleep in class because I went to bed late the night before. Make later HS start times and that's exactly what will happen - the kids will just stay up later.

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Bill Hussein O'Stalin

5:22 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

The teacher's union will make absolutely certain it never happens. Quit dreaming.

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Anne Ehlers

2:55 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

This teacher would love for HS to start later -- as would many other teachers. I'd really like a more flexible start and stop times in high school -- so kids could start 1st, 2nd, or 3rd periods. Transportation runs the show. It's a big challenge dealing with all the competing interests.

Dolores Skowronek

10:41 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Early high school start times and adolescent sleep loss impact the health, safety, and quality of education for teens nationwide. Your board and district administrators have an option that will make things better for the kids in your community. Hope they listen to the good parents who are behind the petition and implement a later start time. Good policies are based on good information and the evidence on this issue is overwhelming: http://startschoollater.pbworks.com/w/page/58217472/Start%20School%20Later%20Reference%20List

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AMSV

12:09 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

We've seen two students through HS in Montgomery County. They attended 3 different high schools. One of the factors in switching for the one child was that he had to catch a bus at 6:15 AM. It wasn't working. It wasn't healthy. It was miserable. For the other child, no matter what we or she or her doctors tried, we could not change her sleep pattern and she had to be up at 5:30AM to stand in the dark at 6:30. These are kids that managed multiple AP classes, sports, jobs, activities....An hour and change difference would not have harmed their extra activities.

I'm all for swapping the times and bus availability of the HS and ES students. When kid #2 was in ES, we paid for before AND after care. If the ES day started later, parents might pay more on the PM side, but wouldn't have to pay on the AM side and it could be a financial wash. AND the HS students might actually function better.

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Anne Ehlers

3:25 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

A swap between ES and HS start times would be very challenging. Do we want 4 and 5 year olds at bus stops at 6:30 am? How many parents keep ES kids up too late as it is because they get home at 6 pm and want to spend a little time with them? It's not going to be easy or cheap to fix.

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Terra Ziporyn Snider, Ph.D.

12:06 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

So true, Anne. Merely swapping times is not the answer because no child of any age should be required to go to school at unsafe, unhealthy hours. In addition, asking younger teachers to report to duty at 7 am is equally counterproductive. The solution may lie in setting a rock bottom acceptable starting hour for all public schools, which would make it possible for local schools to set their own hours but to start the youngest kids first (but still after the sun rises!) without sacrificing the health and learning of everyone else. We already do this a federal level for school lunches (which can only be served between 10 am and 2 pm, absurd as this may sound). Start School Later is asking for a similar earliest opening time on its national petition: http://signon.org/sign/promote-legislation-to.fb1?source=s.fb&r_by=1521139

Carol Powell

6:43 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

As a parent whose child is among those least able to cope with the early start times I'm all in favor of changing the start time. Having been a school bus driver with the opposite progression of school start times (elementary, middle, high school) I can assure you that the logistics are not impossible. The school district I drove for did it in the midst of desegregation and extremely lengthy busing for racial balancing.

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