Shooting, Multiple Stabbing Outside New Red Rock Cafe

Police said nearly 100 people were involved in a fight at a Gaithersburg restaurant early Sunday.


Montgomery County police are investigating a shooting and multiple stabbing in a fight that quickly escalated outside a Gaithersburg cafe early Sunday.

Police said nearly 100 people were involved in the altercation that broke out inside, and migrated outside, the at 385 Muddy Branch Road in the Festival Shopping Center around 1:30 a.m. Sunday.

New Red Rock Cafe was hosting a Rapper Karaoke Night, which attracted a large, young adult audience from around the region, police said. Police said a fight apparently broke out between two women initially, and then escalated when others got involved.

Police said witnesses were uncooperative and they did not have a description of any suspects.

"The officers were able to establish a perimeter and bring the situation under control," Lucille Baur, a police spokeswoman, told WTOP. "Many individuals fled from the scene once police arrived."

Seven people were transported to hospitals, including a Washington, DC, man who suffered a non-life threatening gunshot wound, five men who received non-life threatening stab wounds and one woman who transported herself to the hospital for lacerations, officials said.

Another man was punched with a blunt object but did not require transport and a number of others with minor injuries refused treatment, according to police.

Police are asking anyone with information to call the 5th/6th District Investigative Section at 240-773-6237. 

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PMignec June 25, 2012 at 03:36 PM
I watched reports on this on three different stations. They showed dozens of people that night, and yes they were mostly black with some hispanics. No, this does not mean all of a particular race is like this, but certain events draw certain people. This event is sad, but what is even more upsetting is just what has happened to Muddy Branch/Gaithersburg in general.
Karen June 25, 2012 at 03:39 PM
this is nothing to be with Black, Hispanics, White people. Unfortunately there is some people that they don't behave, do not respect others when they go out..
Denice June 25, 2012 at 03:43 PM
It all comes down to the people that come to these events, no matter what race. They don't know how to act! Maybe better security to bounce those troublemakers out and be escorted by the police.
Greg Cohen June 25, 2012 at 04:11 PM
For those taking up the issue of race, I'll refer you to this comment by Patch's Sonia Dasgupta on another post about Sunday's incident: "Actually for the bar fight in Gaithersburg, police did not supply anything about the suspects as they were having trouble getting people to talk. In general, however, race and height isn't enough of a description to find a suspect, which is why we don't include it. However, if the police know details— for example, it's a white man, in his 30s, blond hair, brown eyes, 5' 11'', with a mustache and a tattoo on his left arm of the sun, we'll include the whole description because it's something people may actually be able to identify. Hope that helps you understand why we choose to include descriptions sometimes and other time, we don't. Thanks for your comment!" http://gaithersburg.patch.com/articles/crime-police-montgomery-prince-georges-counties#comment_3737120
KenGtown June 25, 2012 at 04:12 PM
The more we keep accepting instances like this and making excuses for people, the more it will happen.
KenGtown June 25, 2012 at 04:19 PM
ldwright June 25, 2012 at 04:50 PM
ummmmm it was african american youths??
ldwright June 25, 2012 at 04:53 PM
that is correct and I agree Seriously555.....
ldwright June 25, 2012 at 04:54 PM
ldwright June 25, 2012 at 04:58 PM
hahhahahahahhahahahahahahahah WHAT ?????EVERYONE????? whoop there it is.......lovely place, lovely fun people....enough said...
ldwright June 25, 2012 at 04:59 PM
Idontknowyou June 25, 2012 at 09:18 PM
It's very simple ... you aren't in New York... You aren't in L.A. .... you aren't in Philly.... you are in GAITHERSBURG. This reminds me of stray cats fighting over a dumpster in Miami... 100 person fight @ Redrock in GAITHERSBURG ... how foolish can people be. I worked at a bar in Gaithersburg and it's ALWAYS girls that start the huge fights over guys ... girls are so silly - The guy is cheating on both of you that think he is "your man" - He doesn't care he's just gonna hit it and quit you. How stupid do you have to be?
Sonia Dasgupta (Editor) June 25, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Seriously, I respect your opinions and welcome this conversation about crime in your neighborhood, however regardless of you familiarity with one race or another, this story isn't about race - it's about a bar fight that got out of control. The real question is— if a restaurant holds a special event they know will attract a large crowd, should they be responsible for the security and are they on the hook if something goes wrong. And, the other question is how many of the people were minors -- and this brings us back to the debate about the county move to have a curfew.
Sonia Dasgupta (Editor) June 25, 2012 at 09:32 PM
If you read the press release from Montgomery County Police (at http://www.mymcpnews.com/ ) that was the description available. No race or any other details for that matter.
Open Your Eyes June 25, 2012 at 10:11 PM
I've been to country karaoke nights over and over again many times and not once as there been a fight or people yelling at eachother. Everytime I hear about my black friends going to a Rapp Karaoke concert there is an altercation everytime, maybe not this big but of some sort, and THEY STILL GO! It's CULTURAL..............TRUF!
Perry June 26, 2012 at 12:38 AM
My comment got deleted so here is the summary. How can we feel safe around African Americans, when stuff like this is so pervasive and commonly associated with areas and events tailored towards the African American audience.
Joe Thomas June 26, 2012 at 02:49 AM
"If you read the press release from Montgomery County Police (at http://www.mymcpnews.com/ ) that was the description available. No race or any other details for that matter." So Patch basically just copies and pastes the police press release? I thought that this was an online newspaper? How about sending a reporter to the scene? How about going there the next day and asking people what the crowd looked like? Or is that too much trouble?
Joe Thomas June 26, 2012 at 02:52 AM
So where is the follow up story on whether the place had security? Why is there no follow up story on whether there were minors involved? Did the reporter even bother going to the restuarant? Or is that too much trouble?
Sonia Dasgupta (Editor) June 26, 2012 at 03:03 AM
Great points Joe. Thanks for you comment. If you read Greg's coverage of the shooting on Monday and his continued coverage in coming days, you'll see as details are unfolding, he's reporting them. When it comes to crime, it's our duty as journalists to get the information, but also to make sure it's confirmed by officials or police. In this case the confirmation came from a press release, but also from calls and conversations with the police spokespeople. When news breaks during normal working hours, we are on the scene describing what is happening as it unfolds. It's a little more difficult to do on a Sunday at 1:30 a.m. But, if there's some aspect of the story you think we're missing -- please let us know and we can try to get the information back out to the public. You're also welcome to call the police spokespeople yourself and get information.
John Marinaccio June 26, 2012 at 04:23 AM
The bottom line here is that the mainly fatherless youth every where are out of control! There is a serious lack of moral values and mob mentality at work here. Give that some reflection along with the fact that many of you so called adults are bickering like children yourselves. It takes a village to raise a child and they are lucky if they have one parent around, and if I might add that said parent instills any values.
The Real Deal..... June 26, 2012 at 03:47 PM
I have been a manager at several restaurants/bars in Gaithersburg. We have held multiple large events at those locations. Rap is a genre of music that is followed by a very large percentage of African Americans, its that simple, and nothing is wrong with that. Its up to the owner and managers of the establishment to insure that saftey of their customers is the # 1 priority. 5 security guards is a joke. When I have been involved in planning an very large event, knowing that there is a good possibility that there is going to be a few that will try to disrupt and ruin the event I have hired off duty police officers plus my entire security staff. And yes there were incidents, but were defused quickly and the subjects removed from the event. Also the owners/manager need to notify the Gaithersburg City and Montgomery County Police and let them know about the event, so they know to increase patrols in the area. So this event was a rap contest your probably going to get a majority of African Americans, if it was a counrty contest your probably going to get a majority of whites, salsa contest hispanic and so on. Its a owner/management problem. You have to spend money to make money. Don't skimp on having the correct amount of security on hand. Lets all stop pointing fingers and each other and just relax and enjoy the music. Any music. God Bless All..
Cat June 26, 2012 at 04:44 PM
I'm really disappointed in the line of comments on this article. Some people in a bar became unruly and started a fight -- period. What does it matter what color they were? Let's point our fingers at the *perpetrators* of the crime, not the entire race(s) that those perpetrators came from.
The Real Deal..... June 26, 2012 at 05:42 PM
Cat, Sorry you are disappointed with my comments. I really shouldn't matter what color they were, but you have to realize this is the world we live in today. To be honest if I were the owner or the manager of the Red Rock I would have never held an event of this nature. Why? History. When you bring in people from different parts of the area with a Rap Contest your bound to get people from different gangs to attend. Gangs if your not aware have cost taxpayers billions of dollars, arresting, going to trial, jail ( which last I heard costs us 80,000 per year to house an inmate) injury to innocent people, businesse to close (Perfect example Red Rock) Gangs have no respect for anyone but themselves. And if you think there were no gangs at this event you are highly mistaken. Gangs don't play well together, so why encourage an event that is going to bring that element to your establishment. It sucks but that is the way of the world these days. Until we, the government, stop slapping anyone ( white, black, hispanic, asian) who commits a crime on the wrist and really punish them its not going to stop. So Cat wake up and smell the coffee. Its a f_ _ ked up world we live in and its only getting worse. I can go all day on this subject.
Cat June 26, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Sorry Real Deal, my comment wasn't directed at you, but at those making racially biased comments on this thread! I actually understand and agree with what you had to say. I should have made that clear.
MD DEM June 26, 2012 at 06:34 PM
If the young adults were not black they would state their race, so why not state that the crowd was black? Makes no sense.
MD DEM June 26, 2012 at 06:34 PM
"black" american.
MD DEM June 26, 2012 at 06:38 PM
There were many dance clubs years ago to go to in the Gaithersburg area: Raffles at the Marriott (which is now the Hilton), Holiday Inn (in the basement), The Main Event (Walnut Hill next to 7-11), and The End Zone in Germantown. ALL OF THESE CLUBS were all shut down due to drug activity and violence caused by black americans. This is not racist...it is fact. P.S.--I am black.
The Real Deal..... June 26, 2012 at 06:38 PM
Cat, Glad to have you on board......
ben marshall August 22, 2012 at 02:30 PM
That we use the word "race" with these incidents is a reaction to leftist cultural engineering. It is a dumbed down defensiveness, a utility given minorities to shift blame from behavior to race. Behavior is a choice and genetics you can do nothing about. The violence is about behavior, not genetics. Race or genetics are used to excuse bad behavior. If you are from an enclave of a violent or disturbed culture, like a childish tantrum, you can turn the arguments identifying your behavior into shaming others. This is done by calling them racist and by so doing even you can be empowered appearing to win simply by the shock of shame when people are presumed racist for evaluating a crowd's typical behavior. I read it on this thread. This is a tactic the left has inculcated into minorities. AKA a subset of PC.... Make it about race, not culture or personal responsibility. This is flattery, the tool the left uses to horn in on minority voting blocks. Alinsky's rule # 5. You can trace this tactic back to 20 of so Marxist forefathers of modern American liberalism who have hijacked the Democratic party post WW2.
ben marshall August 22, 2012 at 02:52 PM
I forgot to add to the above post: If you can make the issue about race, then you can become a victim even though you were the perp. This is the result of Frankfort School cultural engineering. Truth walks its way into declaring responsibility. If you distinguish what is race from what is choice then we move closer to more truth. The next venue is arguing about environment, to stop blaming poverty and violence upon the greed of others for one's behavior. The inertia of that argument is lost when we see Jesus, the foremost victim, Who owned nothing, rejecting violence. By whom to you want your culture affected, Christianity or the engineering of atheistic Bolshevism? One flatters immorality promoting divisions and the other calls it out by truth. This is why truth is being called hate by liberal activists today. It is the reason Jesus was executed, nothing new really.


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